( ESNUG 304 Item 10 ) -------------------------------------------- [11/12/98]

Subject: ( ESNUG 303 #9 ) Dc_shell Sucks!  Give Us A REAL Shell To Use !!

> Considering the history and current discussions regarding wrappers and
> shells around dc_shell, will anyone at Synopsys get the hint that no one
> likes dc_shell?  OK, its not horrible, but we designers are used to much
> more efficient shells (tcsh, perl-style shells).  ...
>
> Perhaps Synopsys has R/D money devoted to this.  It just doesn't feel right
> when you have to spend valuable time installing a freeware/shareware tool
> to make a 100K tool user friendly.
>
>     - [ Echoing From Somewhere Inside Motorola ]


From: [ Tickle Me Elmo ]

Dc_shell does suck and designers have complained about it for years (it
always feels good to know that you're not the only one suffering).  DC_shell
was a hack that got the job done, and you have to give Synopsys credit for
that (it got you 80% there very quickly).  Dc_shell is only part of the
problem - inconsistent command structure and arguments are another (forcing
designers to play adventure).

Next year Synopsys will incorporate Tcl/Tk into their tools (Synopsys was
one of the investors in Professor Ousterhout's company that will take
Tcl/Tk to the next level).  Definitely Anonymous.

    - [ Tickle Me Elmo ]



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