( ESNUG 373 Item 17 ) ------------------------------------------- [06/07/01]
Subject: ( ESNUG 372 #7 ) More React To The Avanti/Cadence Lawsuit News
> Amazing, I could not have come up with a better quote than the one I
> saw from you in EE Times. No, not the one about Cadence being a
> monopoly, anyone with any knowledge of the industry simply disregards
> your rhetoric as coming from a very small man. I am talking about the
> "morality is irrelevent" line. How clueless a man are you? You write
> that and then have the nerve to sponsor a childrens charity banner on
> the bottom of your home page.
>
> - [ unsigned ]
From: Philip Kuglin <phil_kuglin@credence.com>
John,
I kind of agree with some of this. You are saying the end justifies the
means, but doing that is a very slippery slope. Who decides when one can
ignore the law and do what they want? And how far? Are you sure about
this? Be careful what you want - you may get it.
- Phil Kuglin
Credence Systems Corp. Hillsboro, OR
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From: Beth Martin <bmartin@adaptivesilicon.com>
Hi, John,
I don't know how you tolerate all the freaks that write to you. What you
actually were quoted as saying was:
"What's morally right may be irrelevant," Cooley added. "You need to
produce chips that are the fastest, smallest and best."
I'm getting tired of hearing all these hysterical engineers waving their
little fists at the universe over Avant!'s misbehavior. There are greater
injustices, and this one has aroused such passionate anti-Avanti sentiment
only because Hsu pissed Costello off.
It was a public blood-feud from the beginning, but half the EDA industry (at
least) seems to think it's the most egregiously horrible crime they've ever
heard of. Not that stealing code is okay, but people seem not to realize
that anyone could be convicted for leaving a job with, say, a web-page or
technical document template if someone hated us enough.
I'm glad this is all coming to an end, although I imagine many people will
feel lost without this soap-opera drama to engage them. Anyway, I'll be
toasting with my emotionally stable Avanti and Cadence friends to the final
demise of this insanity.
- Beth Martin
Adaptive Silicon, Inc.
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From: Peter Hutton <hutton@tality.com>
John,
I don't think Avanti's existence will change the landscape one way or the
other. They don't have a leading product in any category now, e.g.:
- Physical Synthesis is Cadence, Synopsys and the others.
- Physical Verification is Cadence and Mentor.
- Formal Verification is Synopsys and Verplex
Avanti has stolen or bought some great technology (e.g. the ISS products)
and made mediocre badly supported ones out of them.
- Peter Hutton
Cadence/Tality
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From: [ An Anonymous Mentor Guy ]
John,
I want to predict that Avanti will self-destruct due to attrition. We've
received so many resumes from Avanti since the admission of guilt that it's
quite feasible their brain-drain will leave the company with only lawyers
left to answer the phones.
- [ An Anonymous Mentor Guy ]
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From: Subha Pindiproli <Subha.Pindiproli@emulex.com>
Hi John,
I heard from my collegue this morning that Cadence is pursuing a Civil
Lawsuit against Avanti for $1 billion. What I heard from your comments
and articles was that, as a result of Avanti's presence, Cadence has
started improving its layout tools.
To me it looks like Cadence is more interested in spending its efforts
in lawsuits than bringing in quality products in reducing design cycles.
If Cadence were to succeed in putting Avanti out of business, the EDA
industry is doomed, and all who depend on it.
I think you should make it as a topic of discussion at DAC during Cadence's
keynotes or Forum discussion. It looks to me Cadence is being very short
sighted in this matter, and they would just alienate more customers.
- Subha Pindiproli
Emulex
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