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Subject: Xpedion GoldenGate, AWR, Cadence Spectre RF, Ansoft

PEER PRESSURE -- In this survey I got beaten up by a user for not asking any
questions about RF tools.  And after the thrashing, this person provided his
own detailed review of Xpedion GoldenGate.  Fair enough.  I found some more
analog/RF tool talk to keep this engineer happy.


    I compared Xpedion GoldenGate side by side with Cadence Spectre RF,
    Agilent RFDE, Mentor Eldo, etc.   GoldenGate had won hands-down.
    I initially compared an entire cellular downconverter chain, including
    from RF to baseband filter, with about 5000 transistors, 30,000
    parasitics, etc.  For two closely spaced tones, using the same sun
    sparc, Eldo took about 40 minutes, Spectre took hours, ADS would not
    even converge, and GoldenGate solved this accurately in about
    10 minutes.  ADS has made improvements since then, but Agilent still
    cannot get accurate or even realistic phase noise, and still have
    issues handling large number of parasitics.  For Eldo I could not get
    the bug fixes to allow my other circuits to simulate, and ADS was not
    willing to turn-around bug fixes fast enough to meet my stringent
    tapeout deadlines.  Spectre is an inherit time domain simulator,
    therefore it will always have problems with parasitics and produces
    gross approximations for S-parameter models in nonlinear simulations.

    GoldenGate, time after time has implemented new features and bug fixes
    within 2 to 3 weeks!  Xpedion appears to be focusing its resources on
    R&D for GoldenGate, while most big companies focus on their marketing
    and sales force.  GoldenGate had the best match to our measured phase
    noise results.  I think that R&D focus better meets my design needs.

        - [ An Anon Engineer ]


    Analog/RF Tools

    Xpedion sells a frequency domain simulator tool called "GoldenGate"
    (not to be confused with the IR drop analysis folks).  They say is
    better than the tools from Agilent or the recent competing tool from
    Cadence.  Interestingly, Cadence is an investor in this company.  They
    integrate into Cadence and take a Cadence design kit from the foundry,
    and say most new customers are up in only one day.  They are proud of
    their support team, which they say is larger than those of the
    competitors combined.  They are also proud of the capacity of the tool,
    which they say can do an entire radio chain at the transistor level
    with parasitics.  They have a new browser that allows users to preview
    waveforms without tying up a simulator license.  It allows the user to
    copy the waveform to a clipboard, save the image for use in Microsoft
    docs, or email the waveform in an ASCII format.

    Agilent says their frequency domain simulator has better capacity and
    performance than their competitors, and says they've done designs as
    large at 17K transistors.  They are now moving into simulation of PLLs
    for jitter, etc. and are integrating their EM tools into the Cadence
    environment.

    Sagantec has a tool called Anaconda for analog checking.  The user can
    specify properties on a schematic (like symmetry) and the tool checks
    for those properties.

    Mentor sells a set of tools (schematic capture, simulation and layout)
    for analog/RF design and says their edge is in mixing analog and RF in
    simulation of a large system.

    Applied Wave Research sells several tools for analog and RF design.
    Most tools plug into a Cadence environment.  They can do schematic
    entry and simulation using both HSPICE and their own frequency domain
    simulator.  Their signal integrity design suite can simulate a PCB,
    package, bonding wire and chip in a single simulation.  They also have
    a high-level system design tool for communications systems that can
    simulate things like bit error rates.

    Ansoft sells an environment for RF design, including a simulator that
    operates in both time and frequency domains. They also have two tools
    for EM/signal integrity analysis.  One is a full 3D tool that has the
    necessary accuracy for cables, wire bonds, connectors, etc. and the
    other is a 2.5D tool that is faster and good for packages and PCBs.

    Anasift Technology sells a tool for analog optimization.  The input is
    a netlist and the output is a sized netlist.  They have their own
    simulation engine, which they claim is within 0.1% of HSPICE.  Their
    tool can do symbolic analysis; extract a transfer function and does
    unlimited corners and parameters. They claim that, unlike many competing
    tools, their tool needs no good starting point to do an optimization.
    They typically run optimization with a small number of corners, then
    verify with all corners.  If it fails, they optimize again using the
    corners that failed.  In one benchmark, they did 3 op amps.  These had
    taken 4 weeks to do prior.  With their tool it took 1 day, saving a
    total of 10 man-weeks.

    Orora sells two analog/RF tools.  The first takes a design, expressed
    in a Cadence schematic or SPICE netlist, and then derives equations
    for it, allowing analysis of poles and zeros, sensitivity, etc.  The
    second selects a topology from ones you provided, optimizes the design
    and does a yield analysis ("analog synthesis" - netlist to sized
    netlist).  They use whatever simulator you have and can support
    multiprocessing.

    Berkeley Design sells a tool for analysis of Phase Locked Loops.  It
    analyzed phase noise and does jitter design. They say it has been used
    on 35 designs in 12 different processes.

    ChipMD sells tools that do Design for Yield (at a circuit level, not a
    mask level) for analog devices.  One does circuit optimization for
    yield using Monte Carlo simulation, and one does worst case analysis
    without using Monte Carlo methods.  Both create SPICE scripts for your
    own simulator (they don't provide a simulator).

    OEA sells tools for RF component analysis, inductor design and 3D
    inductor analysis.

    Lorentz Solutions sells tools to create passive components.  Their tools
    support EM design and verification, and support EM coupling.  They claim
    their tools are faster than the competition, and say they can design an
    inductor in 1-2 minutes.

    Triad Semiconductor sells a mixed signal Structured ASIC that is
    customized with only one mask layer.  They feel their sweet spot is
    from around 5K to 100K parts.

    Accelicon Technologies sells an analog virtual prototyping tool.  The
    input is a Cadence Composer schematic.  It writes constraints and created
    a floorplan.  The user can modify the constraints and do what-if analysis
    to quickly examine alternative floorplans.  The output is a Cadence
    database.  They say that for a 250 device design they can go from
    schematic to layout in 8 minutes.

        - John Weiland of Intrinsix Corp.
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